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When did Hozo Bosatsu become Amida Nyorai?

I am a disciple of the Otani school of Shinshu.
I'm interested in Buddhism

It is said that Hozo Bosatsu made 48 vows and became Amida Nyorai, but who did he save at the end and become a Buddha?

People and Bodhisattvas are born one after another, and they chant Namu Amida Buddha, so in an unending activity, when and who did they save when they said, “It's OK to become a Nyorai ‼”?

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It is often explained in the Dharma that they have already been saved by Amida Nyorai, but I think that not being aware that they are “saved” is a lack of faith.
How does the feeling (awareness) of being saved feel?

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For me, thank you

It's the Jodo sect, but since it's a great opportunity, it's my personal interpretation.
A Buddha is a Buddha, and a Buddha is a person who has reached enlightenment. Therefore, when Amitabha Buddha became a Buddha, or when Hozo Bosatsu came to his awakening, it was not a time when someone was saved or did anything, and I think there was a feeling that he naturally woke up due to long periods of ascetic practice.
It's like the Buddha has come to his senses.
Or maybe it was when they were convinced that they could create the Pure Land of Paradise they had hoped to make, or maybe it was completed.
It was ten years ago that he was made into Amitabha. Physically, it predates the Big Bang, where the current universe was born. I've been watching over and nurturing living things since a long time ago. Therefore, it is also called Muryangkobutsu or Muryojubutsu.
Also, they are watching over and nurturing you.
From before you were born until after you passed away. We've been together the whole time.
It doesn't matter if you're unaware right now.
You just need to know that they are being watched.
It's often said that parents don't know their children.
Amitabha Buddha is a parent, and we are his children.
Even if we are unaware, Amitabha can save us.
They think that children who take care (have no faith) are cuter.
Namu Amida Buddha

thanking
I had the opportunity to learn about the interpretations of Shinshu monks, and it was a great learning experience. Thank you for your question.
By the way, the Daimuryojukyo only describes the period when the Buddha became Anan and became Amida Buddha, so I think it depends on how we interpret it. I think it's fine to use an interpretation that you are satisfied with.
Also, there are 48 vows for “if you don't do ◯◯, you won't become a Buddha,” and there is no space to explain them one by one, but it's not a “if you don't save everyone, you won't become a Buddha,” but rather a vow that “if people who want the Pure Land of Paradise can't go to the Pure Land of Paradise, they won't become a Buddha.” (As my interpretation)
So now, there is a Buddha called Amitabha Buddha, and the name is known to many people, which means that the vow has already been fulfilled and has become a Buddha, so I interpret that people who want the Pure Land of Paradise can always go to the Pure Land of Paradise.
(Just in terms of the Jodo sect. Just for reference.)

I've already become a nyorai and saved myself. (Ryoshin Soga)

I am a monk of the Otani school of Shinshu. I thought about your question as a monk (not a sectarian view).
As for the questions in overview, I feel that the previous question is the main one, but in fact, the latter is the main one.

In other words, since there is no awareness of being “saved,” when did Hozo Bosatsu become a nyorai? How did that happen? Everyone should have been saved, but what about me?
It probably means that questions and concerns such as these will arise.

According to the Buddhist theory, the Amitabha Sutra says that ten times (so long that our thoughts cannot be measured) have passed since Amitabha became a Buddha, but what kind of existence does Amida have in the first place?

While we worship wooden and picture statues, we inevitably fall into the feeling that a great being called Amitabha Buddha actually exists and appears right in front of us and saves us, but is that really the case?
Is it the Jodo Shinshu sect where you look for a figure of Nyorai somewhere and stick to it and get help?

What I think is that Amida Nyorai has left me (Tonton-sama) and is nowhere else.
And that salvation is not a salvation that brings me something good, that is, a salvation that makes my desires come true, but rather a salvation that always accompanies me.

Stay happy when you're happy, stay sad when you're sad, “just as you are”

That's why it's Buddha. They came to save me from the world of “as is (as is)” and suffering as I am. It's not that I'm Amida Nyorai, but that doesn't mean that there is an Amida Nyorai without me.
“Ichinoshifuji” - it's not two, it's like one world.
The time when the self is revealed in this world is when Amita is revealed, and it is a time when he is saved.

Now, where the self doubting Amida Nyorai has been revealed, Amida Nyorai is working. Amida Nyorai is always at work where I feel a little happiness in my troubled heart every day.

That is the truth called Nyorai (as it is). The truth is now reaching me in the form of Namu Amida Buddha.
That function can be compared in various ways to infinity of light, infinity of life, parents, or a mirror, but there is no Amida Nyorai other than me (the function that reveals me). The truth works regardless of whether you are unaware of it, or believe it or not. They are praising (praising) it as Amida.

When you know it, and when you notice it, the story of Hozo Bosatsu becomes true, and there are no problems like the former.

Hozo Bosatsu has yet to attain Buddhism

My mentor and monk (chief priest Takeda Sadamitsu of Tokyo) says, “Hozo Bosatsu hasn't attained Buddhism yet.”

The 48 wishes say, “If no one remains and cannot be saved, I will not attain Buddhahood.”
In fact, there are many people who are suffering right now, including myself.

Therefore, it is not a world where Hozo Bosatsu has attained Buddhism and doesn't exist.

The “cause and effect” of the Jodo religion has a unique sense of time.
The relationship between Hozo Bosatsu and Amida Nyorai cannot be explained by a causal relationship that has a back-and-forth relationship over time, such as a chick getting bigger and turning into a chicken.

It is a way to capture cause and fruit rank, such as the fact that Amida Nyorai, who has already attained the rank of Buddha, and Hozo Bosatsu, who has yet to attain Buddhism, overlap at the same time and exist in this world.
This is because if the function of Amitabha Nyorai, who saves without leaving a single person at will, and the function of Hosho Bosatsu, who causes vows because there are people who are currently suffering, do not exist at the same time, there will be no practical effect of salvation.

There is a practical effect of Shinshu's salvation in the fact that the pledge of Hozang, who wants to save all sentient beings in a world full of suffering, and the abduction of Amida, who has already attained Buddhism, are compatible.

Not after I died, but now, here, me.
Salvation for everyone, anytime, anywhere.

However, since sutras are written in a language that normal humans can understand, at first glance, they appear to be written with a normal sense of time and causal relationships between context and context.
(Try searching for “real time and temporary”)
A long time ago, Hozo Bosatsu made vows with his thoughts and prayers, practiced ascetic practices during the Chosai Eitai period, and later attained Buddhism.
After attaining the Buddha, a great deal of trouble happened.
I'm using this kind of expression.
However, it is not the magnitude of the physical quantity itself that is expressed by the ridiculously large physical quantities of Five Heavens, Trillions of Eikaku, and Ten Heavenly Disasters.
It symbolizes the weight of Hozo's oath and the weight of Amida's abduction.
It is impossible to express the depth of truth as it is in language, which is incomprehensible to humans.
It conveys the fact that the depth of truth exceeds human understanding by comparing it to the “quantity” of a very long period of time and using metaphorical expressions.
Therefore, as the magnitude of physical quantity, the immeasurable depth of “quality” is expressed figuratively as a “ridiculously large physical quantity.”

unknown

When did Hozo Bosatsu become a Buddha and became a nyorai,
There's no way to know, and there's no way to know.
This is because if you use a vow as a cause and fulfillment as a result,
Since it's an activity in the infinite world called reincarnation,
There is no beginning and no end.
Therefore, it may be that he has just become a Buddha now,
Maybe in the future, I won't be able to become a nyorai forever.

Knowing self-fulfillment, following destiny, and repaying divine kindness is the heart of self.

How do we come to the state of mind of Gensei Seisho Sadazumi,
I always go back to myself and think about that exclusively.
I think we should put faith first.

PostScript

It's called Kiyosawa Mitsuyuki sensei's My Belief
This is a reprint of a passage from the book.

I'm satisfied now,
Follow the self that is being kept alive now,
I am grateful to Mida Nyorai.
And then I walk my own path with dignity.

It's a translation like this
I'm interpreting it.

I wonder if Hozo Bosatsu remains a Bodhisattva,
Trying to become Amida Nyorai
Your life hasn't changed
It should be.
If you think about it, it's OK to have questions,
If you don't want them to be held captive,
I thought about it, so I jumped in and participated.

Like if it's a stupid question or not
I think listening in itself is a stupid question.
You can ask what you want to hear.

My belief in faith isn't too far-fetched. It's not difficult either. That's why I appreciate Buddha's blessings,
Now that Amida has been saved,
If it were me like this,
That's my belief.
Faith is something you give, and I don't think it's something I can measure.
That's why I threw one stone.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry for the difficult sentence to understand.

Chase again

Fulfilling my destiny means everything to Amida
Surviving, surviving after leaving it up to us. Going according to fate is the way it is now. You can be yourself just the way you are. and I'm going to enjoy it.
Either way, in Amida's hands
Yes. lousy. We clap hands.

It's my personal taste.

Tonton-sama

Hozo Bosatsu Enthroned Time
Zaijiazaioubutsujo

Hozo
Osho-sama, why don't you let this Hokuzo hear about all the troublesome evil beings that help us? oh my gosh.

King Buddha of the World
What, Mr. Hozo, are you seriously saying that you can still save the body of a Bodhisattva and all sentient beings with all your worries?

Look and see, a lot of Buddhas have already given up on that kind of thing. (See the Pure Land of the Buddhas)
In order to gain enlightenment and be born in the Pure Land, every Buddha has their own conditions, such as having at least this level of practice, and must accumulate merits up to this point.

Are you really serious about wanting to unconditionally save all sentient beings?

Hozo
Yes, I'm really, really serious.

King Buddha of the World
Is that so...
If I want to help that much, if I want to help, I'm going to pump up all of the ocean water from around the world, 1 cup, 2 cups, 3 cups, 4 cups, and do it alone.
Then, since there is a treasure ball in the deepest place, if you have enough strength to scoop it out with your bare hands without getting your hands wet, you will be able to help troubled villains.
how is it?

Hozo
If you help them that much, if you can scoop up the water from the four great seas with just one person and scoop up the unsurpassed rewards at the bottom without getting your hands wet, you'll be able to contribute to a troubled villain,
When I was told that, I was happy, this is sentient life, happy, this is sentient life.

One wish was built for sentient beings, and even if the party worked hard, for sentient beings,
If it were for sentient beings, this mida would stand if ice freezes when it freezes, and if waves that roll backwards stand up,
In the ice of Hakkan Guren, and in the blazing flame,
One sentient being, one Mida, the parent of a biological child potato,
Yawata Yujun jumped into the blazing flames
Hold and ingest something that causes blood smoke and makes you cry
Until I was taken up to the Lotus Pedestal in the Pure Land and saw a smiling face,

We will never retreat, we will never retreat.

I would be happy if you could replace the parents and children, me and Amida from various positions.

It is also important when Hozo became Amida, but I think it is essential that I now receive Amida's heart from that story.
Evil beings, all sentient beings, are not someone somewhere, but me alone.

When did that happen?

Right now.

Relationship between Bodhisattvas and Nyorai

Tonton-sama

This is Kawaguchi Hidetoshi. This is my humble answer to the question.

It is thought that there are two main types of relationships between Bodhisattvas and Nyorai.

One is when it is expressed as a bodhisattva of retaliation as a “function” in the way it exists as a nyorai equipped with three bodies (Dharma, retaliation, and devotion). However, ordinary people cannot be seen now, and if they reach a certain level of saints, they can meet and receive indoctrination.

In other words, there is one case where it can be said that it is a bodhisattva as an entity that has a “function” as a revenge for Amida Nyorai.

The other is the stage of being a Bodhisattva who is devoting himself to enlightenment, as an ascetic stage where he has not yet become a nyorai.

The three bodies and the state of the Bodhisattvas who are devoting themselves to enlightenment are described in detail in the “Ten Ji Sutras” (Kegon Sutra, Ten Jipin).

If it is the former case, I think it can be said that it is an entity that has already been realized, and in the latter case, it can be said that it is an entity that will be realized in the future.

Also, in the latter case, I think it may be possible to say that one can become a nyorai at the stage where wisdom and good fortune to lead to enlightenment have been successfully adjusted, and intellectual disability has been eradicated.

However, as for interpretations in the Jodo Shinshu sect in various things, it is conveyed as the work of Ryuju Daishi (however, there are places where it is doubtful whether it is actually Ryuju Daishi's work...), and it seems that the commentaries on the “Juji Sutra” and Shinran Shonin's related interpretations of the “Easy Practice” in “Juju Bibasha Ron” will lead to a more accurate understanding.

Having said this, I actually have the “Buddhism of the Dragon Tree” (Juju Bipasha theory) and Chikuma Gakugei Bunko, but I doubt that it's not an authentic work by Ryuju Daishi, and I still haven't been able to read it... sorry. I immediately read only the “Easy Handicap” section, and if I have any new findings, I will add additional information.

Kawaguchi Hidetoshi Gassho

One serving

I'm currently 43 years old

I'm a good adult, but my wife and the nursery teacher at work may want me to behave a little more properly as an adult.

Whether or not you can be recognized as a single serving even if you have qualifications is another story.
Just as patients are called bad doctors if they don't heal,
If sentient beings are not saved, it is impossible to say that he is a full-fledged person as a Buddha.

Rather than the fact that the bodhisattva cannot become a nyorai until the salvation of sentient beings is completed, it is rather that even though he became a nyorai, he cannot be said to be a full person if he doesn't save sentient beings.

So, I became a Buddha when I climbed 53 steps. I realized that I was a full-blown Amitabha Buddha when I saved sentient beings.
It's treated like that.

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I received a thank you and put a few hands on the sentence
The term self-evaluation has been corrected because the nuances may be off.

Not Nammuzō Bosatsu
Namu Amida Buddha.
Phase reduction on top of that.
and I have received it.