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What is the difference between being a carnivorous wife and being a monk

Why is a “carnivorous wife belt” permitted in Japanese Buddhism (excluding the Jodo Shinshu sect)?
Aren't denominations other than the Jodo Shinshu created on the premise that “carnivorous wives” were prohibited?

Regarding carnivorous eating, there are many people who say that the Buddha did not prohibit carnivorous eating or the three types of pure meat, but I don't know if it can be interpreted that way by quoting only that part, but at the time it was a story based on “alms” and “prohibition of afternoon meals,” and Japanese monks did not say “alms” or “afternoon meals,” so how about quoting only that part?

Also, it is a story unrelated to Japanese Buddhism via China, and if there is an individual idea that the Buddha was not prohibited from eating meat, then I think it's out of the question that they should convert to Theravada, Tibet, Shinshu, etc., or establish a new sect where carnivorous eating is not prohibited, prohibiting wives and changing existing sects that were vegetarians

I'm not opposed to carnivorous wives, and since various sects other than Shinshu are made on the premise that carnivorous wives are prohibited, I want that to be thorough.

It is said that this is because there is a succession issue with the wife belt, but why is it that they are so particular about monasticism, but they are not particular about prohibiting wife belts? Wouldn't it be nice to live as a family that watches over the temple as a knowledgeable family without becoming a monk?
Even though you're a monk, if you have a wife, it's not that different from staying at home, isn't it?

this is a selfish private opinion
Even Nichiren Shonin, who chanted Suho no Commandment, doesn't have a carnivorous wife, right? It's similar to “a monk wearing a robe” or “a person must not kill a person,” and since it is natural that people don't wear carnivorous wives back then, isn't it because they aren't included in the apocalyptic lawlessness?

Even if the government were to issue a law saying “monk's clothes should be worn without permission,” Nichiren Shonin doesn't directly mention it, but everyone can understand that they are natural to wear clothes, and on top of that, they say there is no supreme law.

In summary, other than the Shinshu sect, which has accepted carnivorous wives since the beginning, are carnivorous wives allowed carnivorous wives while calling themselves the original sect without creating a separate sect despite the fact that attitudes towards carnivorous wives have changed drastically from the past?
Also, what is the difference between being a monk and being a current family?

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According to the quadrature of the Theravada system, “Teba Tatsuta said that carnivorous eating is prohibited. It is clearly stated, “I'm in trouble because young monks these days have been misled.” Meat and fish are “formal meals” even in the popular Maha Monk Giri.

The ban on eating meat in Japan followed the Chinese ritsuryo code and was stipulated in the Yoro ritsuryo during the Nara period. In other words, monks were placed under the control of national power by making them observe national laws rather than Buddhist precepts. (That means it doesn't work because it's originally Shinshu)

I became a Theravada monk in Southeast Asia, and all kinds of meat, bee larvae, locust like grasshoppers, and shellfish have come out.

In the Nanden Nirvana Sutra, Buddha died from eating pork instead of mushrooms. Honestly, during the bubble period, “monks are great because they don't eat meat!” What I was saying is far more black history. (It wasn't limited to monks who didn't eat four legs until the Edo period)
My Dogen Zenji probably noticed that. Both are written in such a way that you can get away with it.

It is true that Japan is not clean institutionally, but as a matter of fact, the south and Japan were the same.
In the south, it is common for people to return to secular life after living as a monk to some extent. Even if a married person becomes a monk, they are considered not married during the monk period, and when they return to secular life, they return to their original family.
The relationship with the wife was not broken during that time, and rather, it is normal for a “monk mom” who financially supports a monastic lifestyle to become a wife or mother. I also have conversations with my wife and wife, and it is an honor to practice admirably and teach the Dharma to my family.

It's the same as being separated on a regular basis from when you are in a state of comfort due to regency or sleepover workshops etc. even after returning to ascetic practices such as the head temple and local temples in Japan.
The idea that marriage = getting married is also too much dreaming about marriage...

The monks in the leadership class who spend their whole lives in monks are different, but even in Japan, there are many teachers who teach at the head temple who are barely continuing their lives separated due to divorce.

When the Buddha became a monk, he left his family, but when he became a monk, family relatives other than his father uprooted him into the priesthood and made him his disciples.
The fact that it was said that breaking ties in Japan is an ascetic practice is a really nonsense idea, and it's abnormal. It will save all sentient beings. But my family avoids it. Buddhists who don't think that's crazy are fake.
This kind of criticism spread in conjunction with the latter half of the 20th century, when missionary work by cult groups flourished, and on the other hand, the heat of reddening increased. Please be careful

I can't write the monk house by character count, there are too many questions

Yes

I read it.
I see, you're right. Since its introduction, the Buddhist world has been controlled and managed by nations and powers on all aspects.
The number of monks has also been decided for each denomination, and laws have also been decided.
In the Meiji era, it was decided by the government that it is OK to have a carnivorous wife, and that is true now.
Therefore, rather than saying that each denomination or religious group has voluntarily protected them, I think the situation until now has been that they have obediently followed orders from the nation.
There were many Buddhists who did not follow such orders or voluntarily followed the precepts, or are still there, but that may be only a limited number of people or some religious groups.
That's because even now, there are people who don't have carnivorous wives at all.
Nonetheless, organizations such as current denominations and religious groups obey the current state of society, nation, and law, so I don't think carnivorous wives will be prohibited at all.

Or maybe carnivorous wives are not prohibited at all in terms of Buddhism.
If you are a monk, I think it would be preferable not to have a wife, but I don't think the current situation will lead to a ban.

Since the purpose of Buddhism is to be saved from suffering, attain enlightenment, and become a Buddha, there is no point in prohibiting it if it helps or does not hinder faith.

When it comes to whether desire disappears if you don't have a wife, it won't go away.
It may sound like running away, but I don't think the ban on carnivorous wives is directly related to attaining enlightenment and becoming a Buddha at all.
I think it's just an individual's way of believing.
If you don't want to have a carnivorous wife at all in order to attain enlightenment and become a Buddha, or if you think that a carnivorous wife is a hindrance to attaining enlightenment, I think it's possible not to do it at all.

Or as a way of thinking, as stated in the precepts, I think it is important for a Buddhist to live in good faith, such as valuing the lives of living creatures and leaving it up to one's own desires and not having evil relationships.

You may be able to understand the appreciation of parents only by having children, and you can appreciate the life of living creatures that eat fish, meat, and vegetables for the first time.
Through that actual experience, I learned and learned what is right as a person for the first time, and I feel that for the first time, I will also be able to treat people sincerely and talk to them.

So I think what a Buddhist should be like for you is important.

Japanese Buddhism is probably home Buddhism.

When compared to the Buddha's time, Japanese Buddhism can be called home Buddhism.
However, “monks” in lay Buddhism also want to pass on the Buddhist teachings that have continued from Buddha to the next generation as disciples... disciples of Buddha's disciples.

Buddhism is know-how for controlling and eliminating worry, which is the cause of worry and suffering.
I think practicing the lifestyle of keeping the commandments is useful for controlling and eliminating worries.
Other Buddhist practices include
There are mental concentration exercises (meditation) and enlightenment exercises (observation/wisdom).

On the other hand, Buddhism also has teachings that can save even people who have difficulty practicing precepts, meditation, and wisdom.

In Japanese Buddhism, the teaching that everyone can be saved is regarded as important.
Whether you're a monk or at home, there are ways to reduce your worries and suffering through that salvation.

I read your question.
Like you, I'm a person who thinks about “the difference between being a monk and staying at home,” so I understand what you're saying. From the public's point of view, that's no different, is it? I think so too. So I thought about how to stay and stopped drinking alcohol. I have a wife, though.
Now, Japanese Buddhism has no rules since the nation was included since it was first introduced. As long as there are no rules, it is impossible to control, so in extreme terms, it can be left to individual discretion. Today's various factions of Buddhism have been imported one after the other into such soil, so even when sectarian consciousness became stronger, there was no binding force on it. Since the Meiji period, it has formally been beyond national comprehension, but as long as there are no rules, carnivorous wives are allowed or anything, and who manages it.
Buddhism changes depending on the country and time period. This is also a factor that causes them to move away from the original for better or worse, but otherwise, it is also true that it hasn't continued until today.
Even in Theravada Buddhism, there are changes in how money is handled in some parts. Even if Theravada Buddhism were to be transplanted to Japan, it wouldn't work in Japan where people don't believe in reincarnation. Just as it is impossible to move from political parties with different principles to political parties in the political world, since each sect of Japanese Buddhism also has different ideas, it is impossible to convert on the grounds of a carnivorous wife.

The difference between being a monk and being a family member is the phrase “wear a coat of law and be steeped in the dust of thought,” but basically I think more than personal discretion is “heart and way of life.” If that is “put into practice,” carnivorous wives will be formally trivial. I don't think most of them have been put into practice.

appending
As expected, that disrespects the rules too much.
Right now, it's within the scope of your own perception and knowledge, and you can't understand it, so “Japanese monks aren't monks. Why are you bothered.” There has been negative talk about this, but then there is clearly a lack of knowledge to talk about this time. First, it's a story about what ritsu is, and you can't do it without knowing the circumstances of Japan's acceptance of Buddhism.
I'm not saying don't deny Japanese Buddhism. Rather, I think that suggestions such as this one are necessary to revitalize Japanese Buddhism.
However, if you do, it won't be an argument until you've studied a little more.

As an At-Home Practitioner

Awago-sama

This is Kawaguchi Hidetoshi. This is my humble answer to the question.

Certainly, the issue of monks' precepts is one of the issues that has cast a shadow over the Japanese Buddhist community for a long time.

Along with the formal Kaidan, the problem is that there are no formal commanders... in order to receive the precepts, a monk who strictly follows the precepts of multiple people is always required.

Currently, from blog posts of people studying at Gyume Monastery, which is an esoteric monastery of the Gelk school of Tibetan Buddhism in India, it can also be seen that Japanese monks are not recognized as monks from overseas where the precepts of monks (Hikyu Kyai/Betsukyo) are strictly followed... this is probably taken for granted by the Southern Theravada System.

“How to become a monk and how to decide who is a guardian” Tibetan Temple Study Abroad Diary
http://ratna.samgha.asia/koei/2018/03/24/dgeslong_yidam/

Of course, just because you're not a monk doesn't mean you can't practice Buddhism.

Previously, I was asked to deal with the issue of precepts in the following questions and answers.

Question “The Wonder of Japanese Monks”
https://hasunoha.jp/questions/22559

“... I think the problem is that it depends on whether you are a monk, at home, half monk, half secular, or practice Buddhism with a firm and firm Bodhi heart. Of course, traditionally, if you are a monk who can abide by strict precepts, it may be easier to advance Buddhism, but this does not mean that others cannot advance Buddhism, and there is no denying that in some cases, people who live in the house, are half-monks, and half-secular, can advance more than monks. Of course, some of the great achievers of the past have wives and children. It can be said that this is due to that person's temperament, resourcefulness, French connection, and even causal relationships from past lives. ・・”

In the case of humble birth, although officially, they have received the Zaike of Believers, Bosatsu, Mahayana, and Sanmaya Kyo, but since they haven't received the Hikoku Kyō, they don't think of themselves as monks, and I'm always aware that they are encouraged to practice as a home ascetic practitioner.

Even so, it doesn't mean that I can't move forward in Buddhism, and I want to work even further to aim for enlightenment, even in my current state of wisdom and Buddhist relationships.

Kawaguchi Hidetoshi Gassho