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If you join the Buddhist sect, are you called a monk even if you don't keep the precepts

I was watching Taiga dramas from the Sengoku period.
After Oda Nobunaga burned down Mt. Hiei, Nobunaga lashed out at Nobunaga, saying it was ridiculous for Nobunaga's wife to kill so many monks.
However, Nobunaga said, “The monks on Mount Hiei hold women so much that they drink alcohol and live like night thieves. They say, “That kind of thing is not a monk.”
That doesn't mean it's okay to kill them, but even though they are monks, they kill samurai with weapons, and they don't respect the Buddha and are addicted to the color of alcohol.
I live in a temple, but I don't keep the precepts and just loot them.
They're not really the kind of people you can call a monk.
Of course, it's a period drama, so I understand that it was adapted in an interesting way.
However, even today, there are people who do bad things even though they are monks, and there are also people who make the world bustle with power struggles.
Once you have joined the Buddhist priesthood, can you still be a monk even after doing bad things?
Monks are humans just like us, so I think there are times when they give in to temptation or make wrong decisions. What happens when monks do bad things? If you do something bad and end up in hell after death, will your sins be mitigated by living a life close to the Buddha if you are a monk?

5 Zen Responses

Good evening

Yes, that's right.
I think it's just cosplay if you keep the precepts even if you're not a Buddhist monk, and if even a monk can't keep the precepts, I think it's just cosplay.
I also cosplay.

because everyone is a fool

I read it. As you said, there are many monks who have done bad things in the past and present. People who do bad deeds will be rewarded for their actions in the same way as monks or not.
It is called a broken monk in the sense of a monk who did something bad that is often said, in other words, broke the precepts.

Of course, you will be rewarded for it.
Also, it's certainly true that villains dressed as monks haven't changed now or in the past.
Even if people like that are monks, what is inside is probably a villainous person with bad deeds and vices.

The Buddha will always be able to see through its true appearance, so no matter how much it is repaired, it would be impossible.

However, people of all kinds are greedy, angry, and have foolish feelings of insanity.
In Buddhism, such foolish thoughts are a sin, even if it's just what you think in your heart.

Therefore, we monks are slightly different depending on the denomination, but we sincerely repent to the Buddha for the sins and misdeeds we have committed during our daily work.

As a result, I sincerely reflect on my own sins even a little bit, and I try not to ever do such foolish thoughts or actions.

As I live every day, shallow and faint thoughts suddenly come to mind, so I put my hands on the Buddha every day in the morning and sincerely repent.

A person's body, no matter who it is, is a foolish person who can't be saved.

So on the contrary, we are all people who can only be saved by putting our hands on the Buddha and asking the Buddha to save us.

I think that's a pretty good answer, but maybe it's out of focus.

Thank you for your kind understanding.

even if you're a monk...

Pandamichi Yuki-sama

This is Kawaguchi Hidetoshi. This is my humble answer to the question.

Basically, even if you become a monk, it doesn't mean you can suddenly become a saint, and of course there is still more ignorance (fundamental ignorance) and worry, and sometimes they do bad things.

However, “precepts” are established to avoid doing bad things as much as possible.

Of course, for those who are still immature, there are things they can protect, and there are things they cannot protect.

Therefore, regular opportunities for remorse and repentance were always set up, and reflection meetings were held in monks since the time of Shakyamuni.

As “Fusa,” it is held twice a month on the day of the full moon and new moon, and although it has decreased in Japan, there are places where it is still held regularly.

In the case of a bad life, I will be alone, but I intend to make an effort to repent and reflect in my daily work.

Anyway, I want to be ashamed, repent, and reflect so that I can get rid of bad deeds little by little as possible, work hard on ascetic practices, and work hard on good deeds and merits.

Also, in the precepts, it is stipulated that if committed, it is a crime of banishing the monks, and serious crimes such as falling into hell called the Five Treason Sins.

Some precepts have become obsolete in modern Japan, but I believe that in cases that are too severe, there should also be social sanctions from a strict moral and ethical perspective on parishioners, believers, and the public.

Of course, even if you are a monk, please consider that your whereabouts are no different from others because of that person's own karma and karma.

Rather, it is quite possible that the crime of knowing that a bad thing is bad will even become more serious.

Anyway, I want to steadily advance the path of Buddhism even one step forward.

Kawaguchi Hidetoshi Gassho

If possible, I would like you to learn Buddhism by following the steps in order

Precepts are called precepts, but precepts and rules are different things. Ritsu is a rule of law or ritsuryo, and it is a group rule. There are penalties for this depending on the weight of what is called a crime. In the modern Uchi sect (Soto sect), there is judgment by the jury of the religious affairs office, but other denominations must have similar functions.
Expulsion from a religious group in the past is now in the form of deprivation of monk status. If you lose your monk status, you won't be a monk.
To what extent will they be stripped of their monk status? Fortunately, I have no experience of being indebted to or taking care of them, so I don't know, but if you go to the bandits and plunder them, they will surely be taken away.
Note that most of the literature on Ritsu is based on standards of life, such as dress codes, etc., so I will add that you may be disappointed if you read it expecting a collection of laws such as the Rikuho Zensho.

Secondly, commandments are like personal effort goals, and in principle they are not sins. I have actually practiced precepts in the Thai Theravada, and the same is true there. Serious cases such as murder are exceptionally punishable, but as a general rule, they end by repenting (repenting) to a senior monk or repenting with a ceremony called evangelism.
Why are there no penalties? The answer is simple. This is because everyone starts at 0 and levels up little by little. In other words, commandments are not “things that must not be broken,” and the nuance of “goals to be acquired as a lifestyle” is more correct.
However, monks who mentor monks may be demoted or dismissed. (If you say monks in a nutshell, they range from kindergarten level to level like an emperor.) It's unsuitable as an example, so it's natural, but that doesn't mean you can't be a monk anymore. If you drop out of school because of poor grades, the school's existence will be worthless. It's the same as that.
Also, the commandment says, “The only way to live a hurtful way of life is to drag each other's feet. It's wisdom that says, “It's easier to stop that kind of thing.” Therefore, “if you break the commandments, crime and punishment!” It's not a direction, it's a direction to let's know that the very way of life that goes against the commandments is the cause of suffering. I really want to dig deeper into this area.
If a vicious cycle of suffering occurs in real time, we call it hell

In a nutshell, it's case by case.

I still learn more about Mt. Hiei on Wikipedia than Taiga in the old days. Nobunaga is a stinky boy who isn't idle enough to run an army to win or defeat. It's just war.

There are no perfect monks in the apocalyptic world

In the Jodo sect, there is an idea that we are now entering an era called the End of Law.
Since the Buddha passed away quite a bit of time, the way of thinking is that there are no enlightenment people in the Buddhist Order, there are no correct practices of ascetic practices, and we are now in an age where only teachings remain.
In this age of apocalyptic law, even monks cannot keep the precepts.
However, in the apocalyptic world, not only monks but humanity as a whole have leveled down, so even among them, monks and religious groups that have managed to pass on their teachings alone are precious beings.
Therefore, in the Jodo sect, even monks who cannot keep the precepts are respected as monks.
However, if you commit a crime that has social problems, etc., you may lose your qualification as a Jodo religious teacher (qualification to become a chief priest).
In the Jodo sect, it is explained that if anyone, not limited to monks, believes in the original power of Amida Buddha and performs nembutsu, Amida Buddha will pick them up the moment they die, and they can pass away in the Pure Land of Paradise.
There is no hell, ghost hunger, or animal life in the Pure Land of Paradise, so if any villain can pass away in paradise, they won't fall into Hell Road.
Of course, it's no good to recommend evil just because even bad people can be saved.
Honen Shonin was famous as an inheritor of the commandment called the Enton Kai even before starting the Jodo sect, so he must have made an effort to keep the commandment twice as much as a person.
That's probably why they thought there was no salvation other than facing themselves who couldn't keep the commandments and sticking to Amitabha Buddha.