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Disrespect for women in Buddhism? Since when?

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Being able to talk anonymously with monks is quite fun and I use it quite often.

I'm not a monk, but my hobby is studying Buddhism little by little. I don't really sympathize with this hobby.
This time, I'm going to ask a slightly academic question.

As the title suggests, I don't know if it can be said that women are despised in Buddhist doctrine, but I think there is no doubt that the fact that they are regarded as people with low religious qualifications has existed in history, regardless of the current situation.
When and where did such a way of thinking come from? That's the question.

Was there already a gender difference in religious qualifications in so-called early Buddhism?
Was it after entering Mahayana Buddhism?
If it's from Mahayana, is it from India? from China? I'd like to know a little bit about that.

As an example often cited as contempt for women, for example, words such as five disabilities or metamorphic boys are not Buddha's thoughts as far as I can see on Wikipedia, but aren't there any similar ways of thinking seen in early sutras?

I'll emphasize it for the time being, but it's not about whether current Buddhism is complicit in discrimination against women, and it's not a realistic difference such as the number of precepts or differences in religious groups, and I wonder where the differences related to religious qualifications such as whether they can be understood or not come from? That's it.

If anyone has more details, I'd like them to tell me even if it's just a little reference.

5 Zen Responses

Buddhism does not disdain women

Woman: “As a woman, I am inferior.”
Man “You're inferior when you're a woman.”

This change in men's and women's attitudes is Buddhism.
It seems that Buddha wanted to change women's attitudes in particular.
Of course men don't want to disdain women,
It means that contempt for women by women is the worst thing.

That's not your question, but just for your reference.

Definition of “woman”

While reading the story of Elder Albomulle Sumanasara, a Sri Lankan monk of Theravada Buddhism, I remembered that there was an interesting story.
I'm worried about the definition of a woman.
It seems that women are the ones who can give birth to children.
In other words, organisms may be described as female and non-female rather than female and male.
Women are also women when they can give birth to their own alter egos, such as single-celled organisms. Worker bees are non-female (male), aren't they?
What I thought when I heard (read) this is that in order for women to give birth to and raise children, the obsession associated with it comes along with it, so there is no denying the possibility that it will get in the way of enlightenment.
It's often called “a child born with a stomach ache,” but that is probably a strong affection (obsession) that men don't have.
Conversely, even women may be able to become non-women if they become a monk.
It seems that if they pass away in the Pure Land of Paradise, they will all become men (non-women).
This is because in the Pure Land of Paradise, people and heaven are born to appear from within lotus flowers (metaplasia), so there is no need for humans and heaven to give birth to children.
That's probably why they can all be said to be non-women (men).

It's just my understanding, but...

Thank you Mitsuki for your question.
You know a lot about Buddhism, and it seems like you're interested in it.

Certainly, I think it is quite possible to extract “discrimination against women in Buddhism” from the current point of view.

I am the Jodo Shinshu sect, so that's about it, but the words “five faults” and “metamorphic boys” also appear in things created by Shinran Shonin.
“Women have five barriers and cannot pass away” and “women pass away as men,” respectively
It means something like that.

From that point of view, current knowledge points out “disrespect for women,” and I feel doubtful about that.
Certainly, at the current level, there are words of Buddha and Shinran Shonin that can be taken as “disdain for women.”
However, I think the situation in the days of Buddha and Shinran Shonin made “contempt for women” commonplace.
As you have looked up, I think these two words were used by Buddha and Shinran Shonin to break the prejudice of that era that “disdain for women” and “women cannot pass away.”

According to the general idea of that era, the idea that “women cannot pass away because they have five disabilities” “women can pass away once they become men” was probably a voice appealing for “gender equality” at the time.

Buddhism “does” not discriminate against women

Buddha's teachings, Buddhism works to rescue women from discrimination.
Buddhism “did” not discriminate against them; immature Buddhist scholars who misinterpreted Buddhism probably discriminated against women. It's probably just that something called ignorance that can't be placed above that monk belonged to the Buddhist world for some reason and created good teachings that were convenient for them.
I think there are monks who discriminate against women even today.
It's not that monks discriminated against women; they discriminated against monks who didn't know Buddhism but only looked like monks belonging to the Buddhist world.
If you are a monk in spirit, you live in Buddhism, so you won't discriminate against them.
People who aren't monks in spirit are almost no different from laypeople who are cosplay monks just by living in a building called Otera. Since it's a large organization, such false things have been mixed in every era.
Such people will discriminate.
It is important to determine the essence.
Buddhism “did” not discriminate.
It's just that individual discriminated against them.
Even if they are men, people who are crunchy quickly become crispy.
Facing one's own anger, suffering, moodiness, and hesitation is “your” Buddhism, and your “Buddhism.” (-omega-)

It's been around since before Mahayana Buddhism. Among the early major Mahayana sutras, there is one that explains the attainment of Buddhism by women called the Shokaza-kyo Sutra. Since this is an antithesis to Buddhism up until then, there was an idea that women could not attain Buddhism even before Mahayana Buddhism was invented.

However, when it comes to early sutras, there are verses 60 to 62 of the Sutra called Terry Garter like this.

60 [says the devil] “A state that is difficult to understand and can only be experienced by hermits cannot be learned by a woman with only [a slight] wisdom about two fingers.”
61 [Somani answers, -] “When the mind is well stabilized and wisdom is present, why is being a woman a hindrance to those who correctly observe the truth?
The joy of 62 pleasure was destroyed everywhere, and the mass of dark black [of ignorance] was shattered. it's the devil. Know it this way — you have been defeated. It's the one who destroys.”
(Nakamura Hajime, “Confessions of a Nun”, Iwanami Bunko)

The devil is Mahler, a worldly or personal affliction. In other words, it's the opinions of those around me and my own doubts. You can read either one in this context. I don't know if the original word for hermit is Brahmin, but since Buddhists are not called hermits, there is no doubt that they are pagans. I probably grew up in an environment where men were superior to women since I was a child, and even after becoming a monk, I was showered with heartless words, and I probably continued to have conflicts with anxiety and feelings of nervousness within myself. However, Somani overcame that conflict through meditation and wisdom... and since it was recognized in the male society of Buddhist disciples, it was written down as a sutra, and it was passed down unbroken to future generations.

However, the fact that it was written down in this way is probably the opposite of the fact that there was a conflict if you read it thoroughly. That's why it was necessary to leave a note and stick it in a nail. That's right. Since people who grew up in such a society are made to become monks, there is a part where they are pulled by conventional wisdom no matter what. And even at the time of the Buddha, when the Buddha died, “now there are no more noisy people!” There were people who were delighted. How is it in Buddhism? It's not simply a divisible story. There is always a vector going in every direction, anytime, anywhere.