About the contents of Sutanipata “874 Forms Will Disappear”

I read it.

I'm not a Buddhist scholar, so I don't know much about the subject,
I will answer as far as I understand.

Is this Sutanipata Iwanami Bunko?
As you pointed out, I think this note is inappropriate.

Certainly, that Sutanipata should have been a Pali translation of the Southern Legend, and the note corresponds to that
I think I'm guessing terms from the Chinese scriptures.

Am I the only one who came up with a sutra theory called “imaginary behavior” from the words that come up?
This is a verse from the Heart Sutra which explains the “color perception behavior” of the Five Signs (Gon). Before that, the sky is the color
Four things have been explained about that color. Regardless of that, I don't think the part of Suttanipata you pointed out is a place that explains emptiness or epistemology in terms of terminology.

An ordinary person from ① is a madman from ②, but apart from examining whether it is appropriate to use it as an ascetic practitioner,
Is this a Buddhist term? I feel like I've seen it if you're an ordinary person or a madman,
The modern term is really stinky. Also, I feel that the fact that ③ and ④ are opposite is appropriate from the meaning of the Chinese translation
I will.

Sometimes Buddhist dictionaries and books also include incorrect information. What is a so-called calibration mistake
That's what it is. A sentence of repentance is also included in old treatises, etc. Wrong Buddhism
I said I wouldn't tell you. However, once published, they are collected unless there are significant mistakes
It won't be done, and an errata will only be issued. There are also cases where it is fixed when the edition is revised, so Iwanami Bunko's
I think it's OK to send a letter pointing it out to the editorial department.

However, while it's quite difficult to learn Buddhism from that Iwanami Bunko series, do your best
It's there, isn't it? However, now there are various books that are easy to understand even in Southern Buddhism, but the amount of information
I feel like there are still few.

For us Japanese monks, the Chinese Buddhist scriptures introduced from China are most familiar, so
If you ask a monk, in terms of the amount of information from long ago, if you want to learn Buddhist scriptures, learn with Buddhist scriptures translated into Chinese
I would recommend it.

I think Daiji Shonin's opinion has gained momentum, so please read through my sentences.
I ended up writing it in impressionism, so I thought it seemed very wrong.

Suttanipata is a poem for memorizing by chanting. The form of poetry has disappeared since it has been translated into Japanese, though. Therefore, as a text for understanding Buddhism, words are basically not enough. Even more so if it's a literal translation like Nakamura Hajime's.

It's been over 10 years since I started Q&A, and I've never seen anyone who came in from Suttanipata and didn't lose their way. Nakamura Hajime himself stated the main point, “I cannot say that you can learn the essence of Buddhism, but you will be able to feel its essence.” The publisher said, “This is the essence of Buddha!” Please note that it was sold out by inciting it. Not everyone who is a monk is familiar with it.

Now on to the main subject, please see note 872. “Name and form” is an Upanishad concept. In other words, this is not a Buddhist story; it is a question and answer with Brahmins, and we must keep in mind that it is an alternative theory that looks at Brahmin teachings. To be honest, it's difficult for monks to read this series of events accurately. I don't have a background in Brahmin.

To the extent that I have read 874 in my own way, I feel that they only say “you cannot be saved by these methods” → “submit to me, not Brahmanism,” and I don't even mention specific means leading to salvation. It is mentioned in the direction of “it's no good to seem like you're fighting with your feelings.” The word ascetic practice is also in a gray zone in Buddhism and Brahmin religion, and there is a feeling that it is engulfed in smoke.

① Secular way of thinking. A way of thinking about thinking at will.
② A way of thinking that misconceptions the causal relationships of things. For example, “If you make a sacrifice, your fate will change!” It's like.
③ Trying to become a so-called “plant person.”
④ Trying to be reckless.
I think ①② is a denial of thinking, and ③④ is a denial of not thinking.

I don't know what form indicates in Upanishad, so I don't have confidence, but I don't understand why Nakamura-sensei brought four colorless and extinct forms here. Maybe “the context is strange if there is no way to salvation” → “apply even if there is 4 colorless determination and exhaustive determination!” Maybe that's what you thought. But is “extinction of form” salvation in the first place?

By the way, when it comes to denying effort to think or what happens if you deny effort without thinking, then this is what happens ↓
https://hasunoha.jp/questions/20174

Good morning.

As you've noticed, words are imperfect. If you don't know the foundation or background on which it was written, the accuracy drops even further. The more you scrape, the more turbid it becomes.

Don't try to force yourself to understand something you don't understand with your current knowledge, and if you don't understand, “What is this. I think “I don't know” is fine. As you said in your question a few times ago, truth is not a word. After being exposed to the practice of Buddhist life and other books, when you read that passage again, you may feel something.

it's difficult, isn't it?
There is a big possibility that my interpretation is wrong, but for example, let's say there is a round red apple in front of you.
1. There are apples. It looks delicious. I want it. I want to eat it. let's eat it.
2. There are watermelons. Red watermelons are rare.
3. (ignored or not visible)
4. There are no apples. There aren't any apples that look delicious. There is only matter.

The people who say that their forms have not disappeared yet, and their desires have not disappeared.
None of these, just
5. There are red, round, ripe apples.
(Up to this point, I don't think I want any more from here)
People who say that lose their form and so do their desires.

I wonder if that's it. difficult.

I read your question.
Suttanipata is famous as the oldest Buddhist scripture, but on the other hand, it has been pointed out by several scholars that ideas other than Buddhism, so-called teachings of the outside world, are mixed in.
Even if I just take a quick look, I can see things close to the ideas of Jainism and Brahmin religion.
However, the originality of early Buddhism was probably less original than today, so it cannot be unequivocally determined that it is a teaching of the outside world.

To add one more thing, since Nakamura Hajime started with Indian thought other than Buddhism, he is often criticized for being biased.
Of course, he is a great Buddhist scholar to be respected, and I have no intention of condemning him, but it has been pointed out that he actually regarded selflessness as selflessness.
The history of Indian thought, which is the Inphilosophy text of the University of Tokyo, has also been followed.
I hope you keep this in mind.

Rather than an answer to your question, it was just a thought.
When Buddha died in the Great Pallinivana Sutra, he went to the Colorless World Meditation, then returned to the Color World Meditation, and was immediately destroyed.
In other words, it seems that nirvana is directly connected to the color world meditation.

I don't know what the extinction of form (color) means, but when colors are impermanent, it is necessary to observe colors in order to notice the birth and death of colors.
I don't have enough concentration because I'm not in the wilderness world.
However, in the colorless world (from empty to unimaginable), color cannot be observed because the ambivalence is so deep that the mind does not access color.

When I read the scripture verse in your question, I
For enlightenment (to realize the impermanence of color, to experience the extinction of form), a sense of color is just right,
It reminded me of that.