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I don't want them to have a funeral

I would like to ask you about matters after death.

I like the idea of religion, the practices based on it, and the events themselves, but I would like to avoid belonging to any religion myself.

This is because, as far as I know, the way of thinking of each religion rarely matches my own.

However, I sympathize with the Flying Spaghetti Monster religion, which is a parody of religion, so when I call myself, I call myself a pastafarian.

So I don't want them to have a funeral after I die.
In particular, it's a Buddhist funeral.

This is because once you receive the commandment, you become a Buddhist, and you are trapped within the framework of Buddhism.
I want to avoid enlightenment and reincarnation.

From a hygiene point of view, cremation itself is fine, but the law does not allow it, but if possible, I would like them to dispose of it by throwing it in the trash after that.

When I talk to my family about it, they say that when I die, it's over, so don't worry about things after death, etc., but that's not the case, and I'm dissatisfied with being determined to be caught up in that situation.

I don't believe in the world after death, but while I'm alive, I'm trapped by it, and I'm worried.

However, since it is extremely difficult to prove something you don't even believe, the logic and axiom is that the possibility is not zero.
(Logic and axioms are mathematical meanings.)

Therefore, due to the possibility that it is not zero, we are trapped by the idea that by falling within the framework of Buddhism, we will repeat reincarnation if we don't understand it.

However, as I repeat, enlightenment itself is immune.
I think thirst is the reason humans are humans, and humans are animals.

I don't want to give up my humanity.
It may be a way of thinking that is incompatible with monks engaged in Buddhism, but this is my axiom.

Now, should I make an effort to change my way of thinking?
Or should I try to persuade my family?

I also feel like the person I'm talking to is wrong, but I don't think I'll throw away an opportunity where I might be able to hear opinions, so I'll consult with you.

Thank you for your support.

14 Zen Responses

Pathetic

pathetic.
What does it mean to abandon living like a human being.

Funerals are for the bereaved families, not for the deceased.

So,
The will of the deceased is respected,
The client has the right to decide.
In the end, it will be the type of funeral that the bereaved family would like to do.

Even if Shibata Aki wants it that way,
I wonder if the funeral will be just like that
It's dead, so I can't be careful,
Whether you worry or worry,
There's nothing you can do about it.

What is Aki Shibata's view of religion
I respect that,
So that your family can also understand it,
I think we have no choice but to take our time.

Buddhism is the way to reduce worries and suffering

If you can completely get rid of craving and be freed from reincarnation, it is the pinnacle of enlightenment, but what Buddhism deals with is not just liberation from reincarnation.
Buddhism teaches how to reduce the worries and suffering of everyday life, and the extinction of craving can be seen as an extension of that.

The point is, the cause of worry and suffering is worry.
If you think “whether you can give a funeral or not, either is fine,” your worries and suffering will be reduced by one.
Worries such as greed, anger, laziness, and pride lead to obsessions such as “I want to have a funeral” and “I don't want to do a funeral,” leading to stress.
It would be nice if you thought “either one is no problem.”

Japanese people were born with ties to their religion

Does “I like practices and events based on religion, but so on” mean that after all, I only see parts that are convenient for me, or that I don't want to watch
As for that, please feel free to do so, but it's about like that, but I think it's a bit ridiculous

When it comes to flying spaghetti monster teachings, don't you just want to say that! I'll tell you, calling yourself a Pastafarian by that alone is disrespectful to the original Pastafarian; please study the doctrine thoroughly once

Now, the fundamental mistake is that you will become a Buddhist once you receive the commandment
Many religions are mixed in Japan, and even though they go to temples and shrines, and even though there are Buddhist altars, there are kamidana
As you grow up, you have ties to some religion; if you've drawn omikuji or gone to the first pilgrimage, if you've ever stepped foot in Shinto Dashio Temple or put your hands together, then you're a Buddhist
It also includes putting your hands together, haven't you just done it once since you were a kid?

Incidentally, you can't say sorry for reincarnation or that you want to wear it; those that reincarnate when you say it will reincarnate, give up
Believing or not believing is individual freedom, and I think it's fine to do whatever you want, and it would be difficult to force someone who pushes their sense of rejection to believe only in letters
If you just want to stand at an angle and criticize Buddhist thought itself, please write it in your diary.

OK, let's answer the question at the end

It's up to you to decide whether you should make an effort to change your way of thinking.
If you feel like you're in trouble if you don't change, it would be better if you could change.
If you want to stick to your own way of thinking, decide with your own heart whether you should stick to it.
If you want your family to respect your will because you don't want to be caught in that trap, keep saying that, and it's up to the rest of the family to decide that after you die.

So, if there is one, the only thing you can do is instill a way of thinking by continuing to tell your family to respect your will no matter what

Relax your shoulders a little more, Buddhism isn't that bad

Please feel free

I think I'm misunderstanding something.
Buddhism is the Buddha's teaching for an easy life.
However, you don't seem to be in particular pain, so you can leave it as is.
In a sense, that way of life, an easy way of life, can also be said to be the correct way of life in terms of Buddhism. (This is just my personal opinion)

Why don't you leave a will for the funeral?
There's also an ending note.
If you increase the firepower and extend the time for cremation, you can burn without leaving any bones. Although there is some ash left.

Also, if you have any concerns or questions, please ask. ('▽ `)

Aside from talking about funerals

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Shibata Aki's thoughts... actually, my mother said something similar (wry laugh)

When the movie “Crying Out Love at the Center of the World” became popular, bone scattering became popular.
It seems that when “in front of my grave ~” became popular, the number of people visiting graves decreased.

In the midst of such blurring, I think it would be good to stick to your own policies!

But I don't think anyone wants to throw the bones of their loved ones in the trash.
So please don't say such sad things.

I also think human nature isn't just about thirst for love. Or rather, they are humans because they can calmly perceive it as thirst.

But animals don't eat more than necessary, they don't want anything unnecessary, they live desperately even in harsh environments without trying to commit suicide, they don't kill each other uselessly, and they don't destroy the environment...

What about humans?
Animals are more satisfied, and I feel that humans are much more thirsty and love them.

I believe that humanity that animals cannot do is “being able to think about death” and “being able to believe in the existence of gods and Buddhas.”

It is humans who can seek to live better.

That's off topic, but the main subject

“Should I look at this with an effort to change my way of thinking?
Or should I try to persuade my family?”

I didn't do either, and I thought I could just leave it as is!
When you find out about your death, you may have different thoughts, and you don't need to dare to change your policy now.

My body and actions are imperfect, and my policies are imperfect.
Let's get along well with our family and live a better life (^_^)

That's an interesting person.

It doesn't resonate or empathize at all, but it's an interesting way of thinking. It's unique.
I'm not denying or affirming. The teachings of the Buddha are not teachings that deny or condemn people.
That's because it's a teaching that saves me right now, just the way I am, this helpless person.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could live your life based on your beliefs?
Now, I don't think there's any point in asking the boy.
Faced with various issues, I would like to hear some different stories within the framework of Buddhism.
It's a place for people who want to hear opinions on life to ask questions.
Since they are outside the framework of Buddhism, it seems that there is no point in asking.
The reason I'm answering is because I felt sorry, even though it may be a very rude way to say it.
There is a spaghetti monster religion that you sympathize with, but what happened in the first place
The evolutionary theory that humans evolved from monkeys and the intelligent design theory (ID), are something absolute,
Well, it's the creator, the theory that that person made it, the direction of not putting up these two theories in educational settings
On the other hand, I think the opposite intention was expressed in a parody,
Even if you raise some kind of issue against the intervention of Christian thought in public institutions,
As far as I can imagine, I don't understand your intention to raise issues on this site at all.
This is because we respect your feelings here, and there is no intervention from here.
Let's have a funeral, but that's all, it's your freedom, if your bones are scattered.
That's all, isn't it? You are free not to believe, but you are bound without permission,
I'm asking why they're tied down.
The Buddha doesn't bind anyone. Me and you, too.
Aren't you bound by words such as reincarnation and enlightenment while saying you don't believe it?
Because no one is tied down. Since you're binding you,
It just seems like a preconceived concept of myself.
As I've said many times, you don't have to believe in Buddhism.
To not be bound by concepts or words, that's why I felt sorry.
You should live according to what you believe in. What about Imaze.
Do I believe in the next life or in Amitabha?
I'm happy!!

It's pretty rough, but maybe it's an idea close to Zen

Zen has a tradition “too” where you don't dare to look like a monk.

> Enlightenment too (...) I want to be spared
→Worry is Bodhi
※Note that this is a word with more than one meaning

> (Abbreviated) I want to be spared from reincarnation
→Zen sees reincarnation as a state of mind rather than a state after death

> Proving that there isn't one is extremely difficult
→Buddha's teachings on “no record”
→You can't affirm or deny it, so don't think about it and practice. Strangely affirming is also a prisoner, but strangely denying is also imprisoned simply because it is the opposite of affirmation.

> I'm trapped in the framework of Buddhism
→Zen Anti-Kyogaibetsuden
→In the first place, Buddhism explains that “a framework is nothing more than a matter of perception,” but I countered that there is a gap between what is inside and outside the frame

The following is a personal point of view

> Put it in the trash when you die
→My college classmate said that the ratio of burnt bones to body weight is less than 10% or 1% of the total. So where did 90% of my body go? It turned into smoke and went into the sky. Why don't you focus on that?

> I don't want them to have a funeral
→I've seen questions in other Q&A that make you regret not picking up the bones, so if you search for them, they'll do it for you.
However, it was when my father wanted to donate his body as a parishioner in my house. If you donate, the body won't come back for 2-3 years. However, there was no way to wait until then, so we held a funeral without bones or bodies. Then, the young lady said, “I don't feel like saying goodbye,” and she cried. This is true even if you get the family's consent beforehand. That's human touch.

Thirst, thirst, thirst, love is only human when you think about that kind of humanity, isn't it?

If you don't have a funeral, you'll receive incense on an annual basis saying “I don't know, I'm very sorry.” Even if you tell them that they have declined incense... they say, “Please let me raise at least one incense stick.” There is also something like this behind the scenes. The funeral itself is good manners for a member of society.
If you don't have such a relationship at all, don't worry because the government will do it to the extent that it won't be criticized by public opinion.

My mentor said, “When you die, discuss your opinions often and thoroughly with local temples and presidents, and do whatever you like. It says, “I don't care what shape it takes.” This is what it really means to not be held captive.

The devil called Devil's Proof

Shibata Aki

This is Kawaguchi Hidetoshi. This is my humble answer to the question.

“The Flying Spaghetti Monster Church”... I first learned about it.

Instead of praying “amen,” they chant “ramen”...

Mr. Tange, who loves ramen more than three times meals, is delivery, no, it's his turn... (Ah, but it's a meal...)

There are a lot of things that make me think about when loosening up entrenched ideologies and beliefs such as creator issues, determinism/fatalism issues, intelligent design theory problems...

“If even clear evidence is presented that God Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, then I don't even deny that God Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist”... bringing proof of the devil...

“Instead of giving alms to gurus and religious groups, the money is used to “eliminate poverty,” “cure illness,” “live peacefully, love like a fire, and lower phone call charges.” ・・

I don't know the meaning of “lower phone call charges,” but there's probably no point in questioning the meaning... I'm sure...

Anyway, as long as you are brought up with “Devil's Proof,” you could become a little devil preaching excuses, and beyond that, there may be no room for discussion or discussion...

Just as I did a quick study on the “Flying Spaghetti Monster religion,” I hope you have studied all about Buddhism and have a more accurate understanding.

Buddhism never deals with truths that only apply within the framework of Buddhism.

For example, it also deals with truths common to all things, such as “sky” and “fortune.”

And Buddhism never completely denies the “flying spaghetti monster religion.”

If it is useful for truly unraveling that person's hesitation and suffering, it can be used conveniently even if it is a teaching of “flying spaghetti monster religion.”

This is what is called the “countermeasure theory” and “medicine for the disease.”

However, in the end, it will lead to enlightenment and nirvana in Buddhism...

Due to the character limit, up to this point. I would be grateful if you could ask more questions.

Kawaguchi Hidetoshi Gassho

The key to a person who thinks and goes through the sutras and later gets old still can't be found

As the final conclusion of my life, no one knows if my current thoughts will last until dawn on the day of the end of this world. Perhaps no one has come to the conclusion that this should be the case. Maybe even enlightenment is a curricular thing. Since there are a wide range of human forms, I don't think there is a single correct way of being or truth in this world.
When a painter friend I was close to died, Hoso-kun was unreligious and wanted to have a funeral, so I was asked to ask Yamauchi-san to host the funeral, and I had the experience of being happy to do it for them.
From a public perspective, it may be normal for me, as a monk, to be asked to teach a pillow sutra, but my wife was probably resistant to ordinary ceremony-style funerals managed by a funeral director and Buddhist funerals.
I don't think you, as a young person, are concerned about funerals now, but it's good that you are thinking and considering it.
The fact that there are various sects in Buddhism and other religions also means that people change their way of thinking depending on their position.
There is a saying by Mr. Tanabe Hajime that a position has the meaning of being in a position only for those who stand in that position, but please don't stop and deepen your thoughts.

If Buddhism is like that, let's throw them in the trash together

My name is Tantantange and I love Chinese food (it's a meal) more than three times meals, who are addicted to mapo and dandan noodles from the Chinese restaurant “lotus” nearby. I'm also a monk, but I don't belong to Buddhism. Originally, Buddhism does not belong to Buddhism, and it is something that graduates from such thoughts, prejudice, individual thoughts, and individualism.
Buddha has not registered as a member either.
It's more relaxed.
I wonder if you just have a “prejudice that if you get a kakana, you will become a Buddhist” after your death.
Please take a look at the boys around you. Even if you were studying Buddhism, you probably didn't have unique ideas like yours. Speaking of Buddhism, there are many things. That's why I think it's a good idea to carefully select teachers and study under good teachers.
It must be said that the feeling of being stuck in the trash when you die is stuck in a sad thought swamp. I wonder if something happened, so I'm going to discuss it.
I also don't like Buddhism, Buddhist stuff, or anything that stinks.
That's probably why you also have the feeling that “I don't want to get caught up in that weird trick.”
Originally, Buddhism isn't that stupid. Don't worry.
There is probably biased ideological Buddhism within Motilon. There must be strange things even in Christ. It's called personal thought.
If you get bogged down by that kind of thing, I want to complain too. Let's go to the garbage dump together and let the dead trees blossom.
It's better not to be delusional about the world after death, and learn properly.
The world after death is the world after death, where people left behind live even after you or your parents/friends die, and this world should be called the world after death.
No matter how you die, that influence remains. So we should live and die properly.
There is also a misunderstanding of reincarnation. I think I'm delusional about an imaginary fantasy world where there is an infinite loop, somewhere other than this world.
True orthodoxy (satori) is to let go of all such unfounded false ideas, awaken to your true self, and feel at ease.
Enlightenment smelly enlightenment is not true enlightenment.
Once you've realized it, your humanity will remain.
There is a difference between enlightenment of emptiness and spiritual enlightenment, and enlightenment of the Satri generation and Buddhism.
What you have thought of as Buddhism until now is an individual thought that “Buddhism is like this anyway” through your filter, so it's better not to confuse it with Buddhism.
Please go to the Tangtanke Mapo Zazen session.

People's thoughts can also change (^^)

If you don't want to have a funeral, you don't have to.
However, if you change your position, your thoughts may also change.

If someone is very important to you, and that person passes away...
What if I had a child and my child died at a young age...
They may change their mind about holding a funeral for them.

There are many people who think “there is nothing after death.”
However, there are times when such people change their minds through the death of an important person, such as “I want them to be happy in the other world” and “I want to meet them again in the other world.”
I am a Jodo Shinshu monk, hoping from the bottom of my heart that I would like to have such a relationship together.

Experience should make a difference for you.

I respect you no matter what kind of thoughts or actions you take, and it's your freedom... I'm probably not going to plunge headlong into your thoughts anyway...

There's only one thing: I think you've also attended a funeral once or twice until now, with the intention of putting your hands on a portrait of the deceased and “saying goodbye properly.”

Even if you haven't attended a funeral until now, you will surely have a funeral in the future when your parents pass away.
If that happens, you too will be able to sit as a bereaved family member.

At that time, I think I put my hands together from a feeling of gratitude that naturally overflowed with gratitude to my parents, who gave birth and nurtured me and continued to watch over me warmly even when I became an adult, and a feeling of sincere admiration arises.

There will probably always be people who feel a sense of gratitude and admiration for you, even after your death.

Instead of keeping a close eye on your own playing field (feelings), you should capture the feelings, feelings, and humanity of those around you, and then go through various experiences in your future life, and then make better decisions flexibly each time.

Your life too
your death, too
your only problem,
Don't forget that it's not just for you.

Ryusuke Gassho

Funerals are not a monopoly patent of Buddhism.

Good evening.

It's sad that the funeral will be a dispute between families.

Funerals aren't a Buddhist monopoly patent.
Funerals were not held because of Buddhism.
I'm in a position where I think religion and manners were born in a series of processes for dealing with dead people.

So there's no need for a special formula.
Wouldn't it be better if it was explained to the family by saying that?

There is also a monk who asked you to give up your life to riverside fish when you die,
I don't know what kind of funeral the monk who felt like a mummy was taken inside the Buddha statue.
There were also some Nembutsu poets who wanted to donate their bodies after their deaths.
There are various ways to die even among monks who have converted to Buddhism.

Buddhism is not only directly related to having a place and belonging, but I think it also has an indirect relationship.
Just because the Buddhist style was mixed a little bit just before death doesn't mean it belongs
I don't think Guru the Flying Spaghetti Monster would get angry if he had an affair.

If the person left behind really wants to do something for the person left behind, it doesn't matter if the boy is present
I think it makes sense to suggest that volunteers hold a meeting to remember Shibata Aki at a later date.

The other day, I volunteered to attend the 33rd anniversary of a poet who declined a funeral and had his body donated.
I'm also in a position where I want to cherish the human smell that can't completely kill my craving.

It seems that many monks were inspired by Mr. Shibata's question, so I answered them because I wanted them to join the group.

If you understand why the Flying Spaghetti Guru made someone, including a monk, indirectly do the funeral,
The approach to funerals may change.

Thank you so much for your quick thank you.
My friend's grandfather's funeral, which I attended when I was in college, was Shinto.
It was Kansai, but I think it can be implemented if information is gathered.