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Funeral sutras

Why do monks read sutras at funerals for so long in words nobody understands? Why don't you read it in words that people there can understand? That's just noise.

That's all, and I want to know the details of the sutras, but that's a waste of time.
Monks are causing even more suffering to people, such as being able to hear sounds that don't make sense for such a long time even though they are just sad.

If you don't talk like that, there's no such thing as a dead person not being able to go to another world.
Hit the tree with a tree to make a sound, and if you don't make a fixed sound from your vocal chords, there's no reason why the dead can't go to another world.
It probably doesn't make people who are sad feel at ease by reading something they are thankful for. Because no one understood it.
If you don't do it that way, it probably doesn't mean you can't show respect for the dead. This is because the important thing at a funeral is to be sincerely sad, and as long as you are sincerely sad, there is no need to do it in a fixed way.

According to my own estimation, I think it's because if it's not that kind of method, there will be no appreciation, anyone can have a funeral, and monks will lose their means of making money.

Please tell me why monks who aim for enlightenment and aim to save people make money by making such misinformation.

It may feel aggressive, but this is something I've been concerned about since I was a kid. Please don't mislead me and tell me the truth.

7 Zen Responses

Added on 6/24

I had the same question before.
It is possible to actually read the Japanese translation of sutras, and I personally would like to try it.
However, as a ceremony or ceremony, it will be delayed if you read all of them in Japanese translation. In that sense, it may be producing “gratitude.”
Also, reading sutras is a form of ascetic practice, and in ceremonies, they perform the practice of chanting sutras that they usually do, and there is an aspect where they dedicate their merits.
Merit is the accumulation of good habits in the heart through ascetic practice, and those good habits. There is merit in chanting sutras to honor the Buddha and recite the teachings of Buddhism. Even if you don't understand the meaning, just cultivate your faith.
When the sutras are translated, there is a possibility that the meaning and nuance of the original text will change, so it is a good way to pass them on to future generations by reciting them together with everyone in the original text.
India at the same time that Buddhism was established had a culture of memorization and recitation, and such customs probably remain in Japan today, when print was created.
Also, it's easy to adjust the rhythm when reading Chinese aloud.
The ideal is to listen to the monk's sermon on a regular basis to know the meaning of sutras, and then sing easy-to-chant kanbun together.
When many people read along with the rhythm, they hit wooden fish etc. to catch the rhythm.
The practice of chanting sutras is probably used as it is in ceremonies.
However, there are many monks who try to use words that are easy for modern people to understand at key points, such as guidance.

Note, I don't depend on the monk's income for my living, and I have another job.

Added on 6/24

Grieving is the affliction of anger, so grieving at a funeral is not a good thing.
What is done at funerals is to give Buddhist guidance to the deceased, and to transfer merits such as nembutsu and sutras to the dead and perform ascetic support shots. Also, it will be an opportunity for people living at that time to learn about Buddhism.
A long time ago, I've heard that in Japan, the roots of funerals are that Buddhist monks mourned people who didn't like death injuries and didn't want to get close to corpses.

for whom?

Hello Zenshu.

Did you hear that noise...
Please read the scolding carefully and take it seriously.

Everything in this world is influenced by the feelings of the recipient.

Whether you see the same thing or hear the same words, it's completely different if you have different eyes and ears.

There are also people who are thankful even when they see the same Buddha statue. Some people see it as a work of art. There are also people who see it as disgusting.

It means that even when listening to the same sutras, there are people who feel grateful, and there are also people who only hear noise.

For people who like classical music, rock probably only sounds like noise, and conversely, there are people who say it's not music unless it's rock.

If Zenshu heard the funeral sutras with noise, it was unmistakably noise.
If they felt that they were only going to suffer, Zenshu probably could only capture it as a feeling of suffering.
This is also an undeniable fact.

However, not everyone there must have felt the same way as Zenshu.
If everyone feels the same, I think it would be nice if you could change your religion without hesitation.
But that's not necessarily the case, so it's there.

I must say first, but if you want to know the details of the sutras, a funeral is not a place to learn the sutras.

Furthermore, a funeral is a place to give commandments to the deceased and send them away, and in terms of ancient Japanese customs, it is a place to thank and praise the deceased and show guidelines for the next life, and it is definitely not just a place to be sad.

Should I recite sutras in words that are easy to understand?
That's true, but there are many places where the meaning is different when translated into Japanese.
To that end, I read a sentence that summarizes words addressed to individuals, called “guidance,” at funerals.
It shows what kind of mentality they want people sitting in the back to have in the form of “sermons” and “sermons.”

Incidentally, at our temple, we distribute sutras and we all recite the sutras together.

These are the words of Mr. Zenshu who said he wanted to practice ascetic practices, so I don't think they are malicious.

However, if I wanted to make money, I wouldn't choose to be a monk even if asked to do so.

you're just making it a problem

Thank you for pointing that out.
I understand how you feel, but does Zenshu use funerals as a place to understand sutras... First, a funeral is not a place to ❝ understand ❞ sutras.

I'm not guilty of the facts happening there.
I'll just say that if you add meaning to the “fact” and “take it badly,” the facts will be distorted. Please check the rest carefully for yourself.
If the monk who came to the funeral was clerical and didn't feel sincere, please tell him directly.

You must have “wanted to gain enlightenment” in your previous few questions.
However, in reality, please take a close look at what is currently being done for yourself.
Once again, reread the text of your question, and you should know the essence of what you do on a daily basis, including here, only here.
I get questions all the time, but honestly, these are just questions for the sake of asking. There's no need to worry about it. I felt lonely that after receiving the answer ❝ and ❞... there was nothing.
However, let's say that Zenshu's own problems have finally come to light in this question.
Please refer to the following and ask yourself questions about whether they are really doing this kind of thing and whether it's OK.

・I have things I don't like. ... your own rules are strong, and if you go against them, you won't be able to forgive them
→As a result, anger arises, and enlightenment is far away

・Seeing things in only one aspect... not looking at other aspects from multiple angles is uncomfortable → fixed view

・Not trying to understand other values... it's easy to fall into black and white, two sides, right and wrong
→Malice has arisen and far from mercy

・I'm burning with anger... imposing my own rules
→Far from safe

・Being criticized in some way... it's a picture of you doing yourself because you don't want to solve your problems, you don't want to seek enlightenment, you just want to be sure that your opinion is correct. Since that ego activity is strong, they drown in a world of thought.

Based on this point, if there is anything you can feel about where to proceed, I look forward to hearing from you.

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Rational understanding vs. meditative understanding

Mr. Zenshu

I suddenly caught my eye, so I won't answer for the first time in a long time.

I understand that a funeral is not a place to be sad, but an important opportunity to surpass sorrow.
Isn't it normal for us to avoid thinking about “death.” This is because no clear answer can be derived.

In order for you to be prepared for that, I teach the Dharma before reciting the sutras. In other words, we encourage preparation that we will all die in the same way, and we will recite the sutras after telling you the meaning and tips of chanting sutras.

Regarding “understanding,” in Buddhism, understanding “senseless wisdom” by the right brain is established in contrast to understanding “sensible wisdom” by the left brain, and “senseless wisdom” is given an advantage. This is because “sensible intelligence” makes judgments based on reason, so it seems that there is a major assumption that things can only be understood by what reason knows.
In other words, “death” that has not been experienced yet cannot be understood rationally.

Similarly, there are two ways to understand sutras; one is rational understanding, and now is it OK to say meditative understanding.
It can be said that the rational understanding of sutras is still a long way to reach understanding, even if you learn everything from basic knowledge of Buddhist terms to technical terms. If you think about it, there's no way you can understand it in 30 minutes or 1 hour.

For this reason, I am asking you to concentrate on the unique sound woven by the voice of Ikarako (Keisu = Orin) and chanting sutras, and I am encouraging meditative understanding leading to a meditative realm of consciousness.

Intuitively prepare for life and death, and understand it in the meditative realm. How many moments in your life are you exposed to such an area? I'm sure you'll understand that if you touch and take a look at that area, that is where salvation lies.

This is a misstatement, but I will respond.

There are also funerals where you don't have to listen to sutras recitation.

Good evening, Mr. Zensshu.
Your sharp point about monks and money as seen from years of life experience is correct. Thank you very much.
Since there are few parishioners at our temple, there are few annual funerals, and I'm sorry that I can't answer from the standpoint of making money.

Aside from the city's market price, in Fukui, people often spend more money on meals for relatives and funeral altar fees than for monks.
Therefore, I would like to have a relationship where I can talk about what I have spent money on until now in my life and where I will spend money at future funerals during my daily prayers.
On top of that, I would like each disciple to decide whether they can accept the Bozumaru profit route or whether to go on the low-cost route.
Unlike in the old days, I don't want anyone to take care of me in clothes that are higher than Chanel suits.
Even if I think I made money, it's hard in my experience even if my son or grandson complains about me after death, so
It would be ideal to be able to hold a funeral in a way that comes to terms with what our ancestors have cherished until now with individual thoughts.

Also, it is said that chanting sutras is deafening.
It seems that there were ancestors who felt the same way, and there is a system called revolving incense where you can burn incense before chanting the sutras and go home.
There is no need to worry about chanting sutras in Fukui.

Also, if there are people who took care of you in the Buddhist style, you know, but there are many cases where sutras are not recited during the funeral procedure.
The wake and farewell ceremony where people gather stand out in a series of events, but I personally feel the following three scenes where I feel very sad.
When putting flowers in the coffin (when changing clothes and entering the coffin), when putting flowers from the ceremony after the farewell ceremony in the coffin, when pressing a switch at the funeral hall,
I haven't recited sutras.
(Actually, it would be nice to recite sutras like a hymn in a beautiful voice at that time, but since funerals aren't places that incite sadness, it's a problem if you misunderstand that.)

I am very thankful that you want to know the details of the sutras.
However, when asked if you don't understand the meaning, you can't be saved, and if people with poor understanding and judgment can't be saved, I'm in a position based on the sutras that it would be nice if even the sound of leaves rubbing would be an opportunity to think of the Pure Land as music, so...
It is true that it is said that you can't use the law unless you understand it, but since I see many smart people being swayed by laws that are conveniently revised and fall behind, I think there are parts that cannot be fully covered by law analogies.

I'm sorry that the young man said so cheeky.

An important ceremony for receiving the Buddha's marriage and the blessing of the Dharma

Mr. Zenshu

This is Kawaguchi Hidetoshi. This is my humble answer to the question.

Since the Buddhist temple has abolished the parishioners system so far, we almost never attend funerals, but even so, there are only a few requests and nominations due to strong wishes a year, and I'm really sorry that this humble student is an immature person with poor learning, but I sometimes work as a mentor.

Actually, like Zenshu, I've been wondering about how to have a funeral for many years. Therefore, matters relating to funerals in the humble generation were summarized in the following comment last year, so I would like you to refer to it first.

About funerals
http://goo.gl/fBwp0Q

As I have mentioned a little bit here, I think it is important to prepare the deceased so that they can certainly ride the flow towards enlightenment and nirvana by having them establish a sure Buddha relationship and nirvana, and the other is to arrange for the bereaved families and attendees to help advance Buddhism towards enlightenment and nirvana in the funeral I'll do it.

Therefore, sutras and pamphlets are also distributed to attendees, and they sometimes recite sutras together and sing hymns together, and after all, I would like to clearly convey the contents of sutras, teachings, and guidance manners.

It doesn't have to be too long, but in the puja at the wake, we always give a brief explanation of the meaning of the funeral, the details of the ordinance, and sutras, and we make sure that the wake and funeral ceremony are given to the mourner beforehand.

Also, when it comes to what Buddhism is, we are striving to break down the basic contents of the Four Dharma Signs and the Four Sacred Nobles as much as possible into a puja.

We hope that the deceased, the bereaved families, and attendees will be able to do their work while breaking the law so that they can all go to a better place and become a source of food for the path of Buddhism.

I know that offering is not about making money or doing business, etc., but rather something that must be used firmly as a purifying asset for the promotion of Buddhism, the preservation of Buddhism, and the attainment of all sentient beings so that everyone can take advantage of the Buddha's relationships and the like.

May we all practice Buddhism together.

Kawaguchi Hidetoshi Gassho

For me, chanting sutras is a precious time to connect with Shaka-sama.
It doesn't matter what everyone attending the funeral procession thinks.
I offer my heartbreak, even if only slightly, to Oshakasama.
It's my best for those who are headed to the world of Hoke.
Funeral at Mount Toyama
There is a connection and Toyama is looking up to me, so it's like Toyama
Pray for Oshaka-sama to the best of your ability, and with Oshaka-sama
It consists of reciting sutras for the deceased who are headed to the same world.

Certainly, sutras recitation is also a tool.

If so, put “prayer” into it and work wholeheartedly.
That's all I can do.

May your mind be at peace, this too
It's my own “sutras.”
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