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What happens to the souls of people who commit suicide?

Recently, my father stopped hanging himself.
I live alone away from my family, but when it comes to my family, it seems that the night before and the day were no different from usual.

There is no suicide note or anything, and I don't know the cause of the suicide (not even depression)
Speaking of what comes to mind, my father has been doing driving-related work ever since he was young (he quit a few years ago), and it seems that he was confident in driving, but it seems that he lost consciousness while driving shortly before that father passed away, and an accident occurred.
Fortunately, no one got involved, and the person himself also had a slight incision,
I was able to leave the hospital in less than a week.

Family members were also often relieved that they were glad they were able to get by with that accident, but they were worried because it would be difficult if they lost consciousness while driving again, so it was better not to drive anymore in the future.
If you do that, you won't be able to pick up and drop off your favorite grandson (younger brother's child), so I wonder if the fun is gone?
Even though I was confident in driving, I wonder if I lost my confidence or felt old because I had an accident and the person himself seemed to care about it? etc., that's all I know about the cause of suicide.

Our family left behind don't even know the cause, and we are having a very difficult time.
However, I'm very concerned about what will happen to the souls of people who committed suicide while thinking that only their father knows the cause and can't help it.
Unlike those who died at the end of their lives, can they attain Buddhism?
It's so hard to live that you took your own life, but if you can't attain Buddhism, or if there is heaven and hell, you'll go to hell, or even more so even if you pass away, aren't you going to have a hard time? I'm hurting my heart.
Please let me know, please.

7 Zen Responses

I don't understand. It is reborn the moment it dies

It is thought that they have been replaced by some kind of living thing, but when it comes to what they are being reborn with, I don't understand that.
The sutras explain the Pure Land of Paradise and how to be born again in heaven, but I don't know what my father was born into if he hadn't done such ascetic practices.
The state of mind at the moment of death seems to determine the next life, and in general, those who do a lot of good deeds are more likely to be in a good state of mind at death, and those who do a lot of bad deeds are more likely to be in a bad state of mind,
It's like a mental vision that appears as a result of the entanglement of good and evil accumulated in a long time of reincarnation with your father's recent state of mind, and it's too complicated and unpredictable.
In extreme terms, you might be born as a mosquito and fly around you.
Every living thing may be a replacement for your father.
Note, in order to attain Buddhism (become a Buddha), it is difficult to attain Buddhism right away.
Also, living things always suffer, so no matter what they are born with, they have one or two painful feelings. Please give up.

appending
According to Buddhist thought, the moment you die, you are reborn into a different living thing. For example, heaven and hell are a type of living thing, not a world of dead spirits or souls. It is a practice that deviates from Buddhist thought, such as saying that the period until the 49th is the middle shadow or that spirits return during Obon.

Next time

You must have had a hard time.

It is said that we are all born with a seed that becomes a Buddha.

In the sutra called Myōhō Renge Kyō

“Obedience to the Laws, Honjo, Self-Relaxation, Sou Shijisou Gyodo has been the Buddha in the Hereafter” (not to mention all the laws, this person always himself is the partner of desolation, and the Buddha did the way and ended up doing the Buddha in the next life)

There is a passage called

Simply put,
Everything living and living in this world will surely come to an end. It is said that children of the Buddha (sentient beings) can attain Buddhism in the next world when they have finished their ascetic practice.

So, in conclusion, a father can always attain Buddhism.

But that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Life is an ascetic practice.
No matter what you do, if you give up your training halfway, your results will be far away.

Dad may still be suffering because he is starting his ascetic practice over again.

It takes time.
However, it is the same thing for us, and we become Buddhas by repeating ascetic practices over and over again.
Your father is probably reflecting on life in this world and doing new training.

Heaven and hell do not exist after death; they actually exist in this world.
Rather, my father took his own life precisely because this world seemed like hell.

Suicide is never a good thing.
However, your father's suffering and pain in this life should be fully utilized in the next life as an experience.

You and your family must have experienced hellish suffering as you witnessed your father's death.

But up until now, my father has shown me a lot of appearances to everyone.
I'm sure all of you have learned a lot from that figure.

What did you see in your father's life, what did you think of it, and what did you learn?
Not only do you take your father's death as sad or painful, but how can those of you who are living that life be useful to your own lives without wasting it?

I think that is the greatest act of filial piety and memorial service for my father.

Please make full use of your father's life for you while taking good things from so many things and throwing away bad things.

If you do that, your father will also see you and think that you have to do your best this time.

I'm praying that you, your family, and your father will be able to take the next step as soon as possible.

It's your soul

Is there somewhere the soul of a person who committed suicide?
Everyone assumes something fictional like that somewhere.
However, the essence of this is that you are deeply concerned about your father who passed away.
That is your heart and soul for your father.
A psychic is a feeling within oneself for others.
This becomes clear if you observe the world closely through deep meditation and zazen meditation.
I can only deal with the soul, spirit, soul, and consciousness within myself.
(*The spirit referred to here is the feeling within oneself for the father)
I think the psychic theory that the world preaches is wrong.
I don't think we should think that there are things that have never been proven.
This is because it leads to a lack of clarity.
Please think carefully about Mitama Matsuri and events dedicated to ancestral spirits that are held during this period in the world in a deep sense.
It should be called an awareness within oneself of thinking about our ancestors and those who have passed away.
Also, shouldn't we say that we are calming the feeling within ourselves that we wanted to do something for them, that we wanted to do something for them, that there was nothing to be done about it, that they wanted to do something for them?
Of course, there aren't many people who notice it, and since most people are recognized as if it were outside, memorial services are held assuming that there is a spirit outside.
However, the truth is that now, while your father has passed away and your heart is shaken, the thoughts within yourself that remember the peace of your father's heart are soul, happiness, and soul.
Dogen Zenji was a very clear person.
Since ancient times, in response to this conflicting psychic theory, it has been mentioned that it is “one's consciousness (other self) of others within you.”
Therefore, if you want to calm your father's soul, make a proper memorial service yourself and live a way of thankful for your father.
Your life is about living your own life.
Of course, my feelings for my father are deep, so my relationship with my late father will continue in the future. Your anxiety about your father will go away, and please communicate well with each other through a proper memorial service. The father within you is forever immortal.
Shouldn't continuing that conversation be called a memorial service?
I pray for your peace of mind.

What is a soul

Where on earth is the soul? It's strange that it suddenly comes out when it's gone.
Is there a soul in this body right now? about the heart?

It seems that there is no soul.
Therefore, death is the cessation of life's function. The body becomes soil and water and returns naturally. Then it blends into our lives.
That is probably the function of life.

It's no different since it's someone who committed suicide

From a Buddhist standpoint, there is no difference between a person who died of illness or an accident because they committed suicide. The Buddha did not say that he would not commit suicide or that he would receive bad karma for committing suicide. What you're concerned about doesn't matter.

Buddha's mercy is limitless

I would like to answer from the standpoint of the Jodo Shinshu sect.
There are countless ways to die. Also, the Buddha's mercy is immeasurable. In the Jodo Shinshu sect, it is said that people who have gained devotion will pass away in the Pure Land of Paradise due to Amida Nyorai's wish power (power of mercy) after death. So what happens to people who haven't been able to gain faith (for example, people who have committed suicide)? The answer is that the Buddha's power of desire works even for those who have not been able to gain faith. Buddha's mercy is unconditional mercy. That doesn't mean mercy won't arrive without doing this. Unfortunately, people in this world who were unable to gain faith will eventually pass away in paradise due to the Buddha's mercy.
By the way, what is more important than anything else is that through the death of the deceased, you yourself will learn about the impermanence of this world and encounter the mercy of Amida Nyorai. I think that would make any deceased person happy.

About where to go after death

Cocozokko

This is Kawaguchi Hidetoshi. This is my humble answer to the question.

I'm sorry for your father's truly painful, sad feelings, and heartache this time around. I offer my sincere condolences.

As for things after death, souls, and spirits, I have recently been dealt with in the following questions, but I have explained what is a “continuum of mind” and “mental inheritance” as something that can be assumed and assumed based on logical reasoning, and the causal relationships (causes/conditions) involved in its occurrence.

Question “It's about reincarnation.”
http://goo.gl/rw0BXp

Questions and answers I've dealt with so far about the afterlife
http://goo.gl/ejLMq3

Based on the above details, I think it would be important to make a memorial service for those who have passed away so that the spiritual inheritance of those who have passed away is better due to a better causal relationship (good virtue, fortune, Buddha affair/law relationship).

Also, until now, we have dealt with matters after those who committed suicide in the following questions, etc.

Question “About the souls of people who committed suicide”
http://goo.gl/fd0Cid

Question “My lover who committed suicide is now in the other world”
http://goo.gl/ZzoLXa

Question “Like him who died by suicide...”
http://goo.gl/2aM634

When it comes to going after death, what has the greatest impact is one's own actions (karma) above all else. If that karma weighs heavily on bad karma due to distress or ignorance (fundamental ignorance), then after all, you will think that karma (future ahead, reincarnation) is bound to be severe.

“... I know that good deeds performed as a way to go towards good will be more important than anything else, and next, it will be important to turn around so that good deeds, that is, happiness and merit, extend to all sentient beings and all people in the Three Realms. ・・”

Please, I would be grateful if your father would continue to offer memorial services in the future so that he could go to a better place (enlightenment, nirvana).

Kawaguchi Hidetoshi Gassho