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Hello. Nice to meet you.
Let me ask you a quick question.

My grandmother passed away the other day, and the funeral was held at a regular funeral company, and I asked the monk at Bosatsu-ji Temple, who had been taking care of me for a long time, for the kaima and funeral. My grandfather had passed away early, so my grandmother decided to make her my older sister because the rank of kaimyo was an old child. Then, the monk at the Bosatsu Temple told me that if it was that level, everyone would normally pay 1 million yen. Shamefully, when I told them that I don't have any savings at home and can't prepare 1 million yen at once... it seems like they told me to pay it in installments. It seems that my father was wondering if he had no choice but to pay it even if he got into debt... but now he knows that life insurance will come out, it seems like he won't have to get into debt at the last minute. When I asked enthusiastic people of the same denomination about this story, it's strange that they can even pay in installments! First time I've heard it! I was told. Knowing that, the monk, who is covered in worries, distrust has been raised, and they are thinking about seceding. Even when they leave the church, they seem to ask for quite a lot of money, but when the descendants are in trouble, they feel sorry, so they always show that they have left. Now the question is, are the Kaimyo fees and monk fees even paid in installments? I want to know the market price for other monks. Incidentally, the sect is the Cao Tong sect. It's an unfortunate story, but thank you.

6 Zen Responses

There are various cases

I read it.
I would like to express my sincere condolences for the passing of my precious grandmother. Also, I ask the Buddha to make sure that my grandmother will be led by the Buddha and greeted by many of my ancestors, and I would like to make the memorial service with all my heart. Shishin Gassho Nanmu Amida Buddha Namu Amidabutsu
Your grandmother will always be guided by the Buddha and welcomed by her ancestors, saved from any hesitation or suffering, and will peacefully attain Buddhism with everyone. And they will continue to kindly watch over you and everyone.

As for the donation you are asking about, I will pay it with all my heart to the extent that it is reasonable. Basically, the amount of the donation is not large or small. Nonetheless, the difference in the amount of alms is severe depending on the management of the temple, the chief priest's thoughts, and regional characteristics. Urban areas are still relatively expensive, or there are places where temples with few parishioners require expensive donations in order to maintain them.
There must have been relationships with the temple up until now, so please consult with everyone in the family carefully and consider how to hold memorial services and maintain graves in the future.

Regarding the division, for example, in the year before last, our temple received an offering of 100,000 yen for a funeral, and there are cases where the client told us that they will bring it little by little when they can pay since they don't have money now, and they paid 10,000 yen about once every 3 months. Basically, it was paid in installments within a reasonable range for a temple, so there was no particular problem. Or at the time of the funeral, I can't wrap the offering at all, so I'll pay it if I calm down and have a little time to spare. There are also cases where that is the case.
So I think it depends on each situation. Also, offerings are not limited to money; receiving rice, offering fruit and sweets, getting help weeding at the temple, and helping with temple events are also gifts.
The important thing is for everyone to do memorial services to the Buddha and ancestors with all their heart, and to dedicate that feeling.
Please consult with us carefully and make a calm decision.
From now on, your grandmother and your ancestors will always kindly watch over you and everyone in your family.

It varies greatly depending on denomination, temple, and region.

Hello, Akitaki-san. Thank you for writing.

I would like to express my condolences for the passing of my grandmother.
My grandmother passed away, and Bosatsu-ji Temple (is this the so-called family temple?) You asked for a funeral, didn't you? Since Akitaki's grandfather has already passed away, she was given a commandment name corresponding to her grandfather's commandment name.

Did the monk at Bosatsu-ji Temple tell you that everyone would pay 1 million yen if they were in that rank? It was difficult to prepare money, and when they discussed that they couldn't pay, they said they should pay in installments.

When I asked an acquaintance of the same denomination, they told me that they had never heard of pay in installments, and they were distrustful when they were Bodhisattvas. I'm thinking about leaving, but I'm worried that I'll be asked for a separation fee even at that time.

The question is whether it is necessary to pay the Kaimyo fee and monk fee in installments.

That's how I heard Akitaki-san's story. Yes, that's right. First, these things vary greatly depending on denomination, temple, and region.

Also, I think monk fees are probably “offerings” or “ordinances,” but these are not labor costs for monks. The part that looks like that is large, and there is no doubt that monks also receive a salary from there and live, but offerings and rituals are used in the hope that monks and temples will continue as places to convey Buddhism from now on, and they are not simple labor costs for monks.

The 1 million yen kakana fee is amazing. I've never heard of it. Our denomination doesn't have any commandments, so they call it a dharma name, but they don't take any dharma fees in the first place. When the name of the hospital name is requested, there is money to be stored in the head temple and the cost to make a hanging scroll, so I'll tell you in advance that I would ask for only this, but it's about 1/10 of the amount.

I think we will receive requests to pay this much for offerings and hospital names in installments since they cannot be paid in a lump sum, but there is no such thing as being able to pay them in installments from the temple.

However, as mentioned earlier, it varies greatly depending on the denomination, temple, and region. Even if the relationship with the current temple is changed, it is necessary to consider whether there will be any problems with the local people and whether the graves are in that temple.

On top of that, if you want to change the temple, I think you should do so. There are temples that also take separation fees and temples that don't. If you have trouble, talk to an attorney.

As a companion, I feel sorry.

What is the role of relieving suffering
Conversely, making people suffer
You can't even put it above a monk's wind.

In Buddhism which preaches equality
Because originally, there are no ranks in the Dharma or Kaima
You don't have to worry about it from now on.

Graves
Is it in the temple's precincts graveyard?
If so
Since construction must be carried out when the tombstone is relocated
Dealing with that chief priest is troublesome, isn't it?
If there are graves in other cemeteries
It's just a matter of being estranged as it is.
If you look for another temple and explain the situation
They will make you a parishioner there.

Buy a kaima with money?

The title of resident or older sister is given to the person who served as the general manager (officer) at our temple and his spouse.
In other words, it is a title that cannot be bought with money (given to people who have contributed to the temple).
If you try to force yourself to buy something that you can't buy with money originally, there is a possibility that you will be asked to bear an appropriate burden.
Since the husband was a resident, it is a common pattern for that wife to have an older sister, but it may differ depending on the temple.
I wonder if it was necessary to pay that much money and stick to the “big sister.”
If you think about the labor of the people who have served as executives for so many years.

If you're not convinced, I think it's okay to leave.

Hello, Akitaki-san. My name is Tomoyuki Somekawa, the chief priest of Kongoza-ji Temple. It becomes the Tendai sect.
They asked for an exorbitant amount of money for the kakana fee, and they were also told to pay it in installments. The offerings for Kaimyo differ depending on the temple rather than the denomination. If it's a famous temple, a big temple, or a temple in the city, I often hear the market price of an offering of 1 million yen if it's a big sister. Originally, the commandment name had 2 letters, and the rest was a crown, or ornament. So it doesn't mean that short is bad because long is good or bad.
However, for those who have made achievements at the temple in particular, the word as a title is specially praised by attaching a letter meaning achievement to the two-letter kaima. Also, the logic on the temple side is that even those without such achievements will receive it as an offering to contribute to the last temple. There are also temples where parishioners decide the amount of offerings in order to maintain the operation of the temple.

Since it is freedom of religion, it is OK to leave the organization if a religious relationship of trust cannot be established with the chief priest who is the leader. There is no need to pay departure fees. However, there are graves in cemeteries owned by the temple, and if there is an agreement of use only for believers, in the case of defection, there is a cemetery removal fee to return the graves to the ground level if there is a graveyard.

Based on that understanding, it's a good idea to search for a temple that matches your philosophy. As I mentioned earlier, most of the temples are residents and older sister levels, and there are many temples that require high offerings. There is also a method of re-assigning it to a kakana appropriate for that temple.

Furthermore, there are many temple chief priests who don't put a high price on their kaima. There are also temples that can be attached without offering. At my temple, I ask for 200,000 yen for a funeral that includes the commandment, but I will tell you to decide according to the circumstances of the bereaved family. There were 100,000 yen, and there were times when funerals were given at funerals of 30,000 yen or 10,000 yen and given the name of the commandment. Regardless of the alms, the kaima is basically given to the nine letters of the hospital gō kōji.

Your true faith is to search for a temple or chief priest you respect. There are also many wonderful monks who volunteer at Hasunoha. Please find a temple or chief priest who will be your mentor.

I'm rooting for you. Gassho

Both are originally feelings and aspirations, and are given as a thank you

Akita Kisama

Since there are temples and monks like this, the image and impression of Japanese Buddhism as a whole has deteriorated, or it has remained bad forever...

Originally, of course, there is no obligation to pay the name fee or separation fee.

Both are originally feelings and intentions, and are given as a thank you, and they are originally a strange story, as a thank you for receiving the kaimyo (name of a monk's book) and the separation fee as a thank you for having offered a memorial service to your ancestors until now, and temples and monks demand thank-you.

If you don't need to say thank you, of course you don't need to give it to them.

Of course, funeral offerings are also used as a thank you in the same way, so there is originally no fixed amount, etc.

However, depending on how much it should be, people are sometimes asked approximate things, and there are also cases where it is thought that it is not disrespectful, so I usually tell them about the most things beforehand.

Even so, I think it can be said that it is common to spend around 200,000 to 300,000 yen in combination with funeral offerings and memorial fees. They say it's 250,000 yen even at the humble temple, but since there are probably various circumstances, I'm saying that it doesn't matter what amount you can get.

Even in the sense of avoiding trouble, it is probably one way to communicate in formal writing through lawyers, judicial scriveners, and administrative scriveners.

Since there is originally no obligation to pay, neither the name fee nor the separation fee is something that can be said strongly anymore if you go through a professional career. However, if there is a fee set in advance based on contracts, rules, regulations, etc., there may still be cases where payment must be made, but this should be resolved by consulting with a professional.

Kawaguchi Hidetoshi Gassho