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My wish came true and I received a degree, but the humanity of the master and monk...

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There was also the fact that the person who introduced me worked enthusiastically, so I received a score at a temple about 100 km away.
I went to the trouble several times before receiving it, and after being told the puja, and conveyed my own idea that “I'm not prepared enough to become the chief priest,” it became a point where both parties were convinced.
We also had dinner parties with my family and the chief priest's family, and I was relieved that the chief priest had good humanity and “met a good master and monk.”
I was relieved that my family, who initially opposed being steeped in religion, also said, “They seem like good people.”
The fact that a Google Map rating of ☆ 4 or higher is fine is also a reassuring material.

However, the reality was completely different.
They were very close to those who came to consult, but when they came back, they vomited unbelievably poison...
They also taught me manners etc. about working at a temple, but they said, “Well, I don't do it (laughs)”...
As a matter of course, the master confiscated the pouch bag that accompanied the parishioner on his visit and was given “I have to give pocket money to the little boy.”
I was invited to eat after work, but what I went for was a snack.
Even though I was invited, I paid every time.
My teacher said, “It's cheap if you think you can study social studies for this amount of money.”
I even paid the substitute fee for my mentor Benz.
I'm on my way by car, so I couldn't go home during the day, and after spending the night in the car, I skipped the car and went straight to work...

You pay 500,000 yen as an offering in order to receive the credit, and in addition to that, you are asked for an offering of about 10,000 yen every time you visit, and you are also made to bear the drinking fee...
If you are serious with this, there is salvation, but people with strong duality who only see people as money...
I've already spent close to 600,000 yen even though it's been about 1 week since I received the benefits.

I talked to the person who introduced me, but they said, “I'm sorry to introduce them without knowing they are that kind of person.” They said that, but that's all.

They eat meat, drink alcohol, play with women, and the apprentice is responsible for accounting.
Pocket money received by the disciples was also confiscated.
Should we accept this as an ascetic practice?

4 Zen Responses

Master and monk gacha

That's the risk of becoming an apprentice to someone you've met for the first time.
But conversely, even from a monk's side, there is a possibility that if you take someone you don't know as an apprentice, they were actually ridiculous disciples.
After all, it's scary if we don't have a teacher-pupil relationship after getting to know each other very well.
It is better to decide on a relationship with that teacher after carefully considering the merits and demerits.
It depends on what you're looking for ahead of time, though.
Either way, I think that Master and Monk Gacha is “off the mark.”
There is nothing wrong with cars, but if a monk is riding a Benz, I don't think they will be well thought of by parishioners, but if they don't care about it, it's probably a master or monk who takes the stance that it doesn't matter what they think of them as religious people, and that's fine if they can eat at a funeral or memorial service.
In this day and age, there is a risk of being spread on the internet, and even considering the fact that they respond in such a way to you (apprentices), I have the impression that they are young people as members of society.
appending
If it's just a monk registration, it's useless as a qualification (even children can register as a monk), so I don't think that's useful in any way.
appending
If so, I want to get not only a score, but also a qualification to become a chief priest.

Please cherish your unchanging ambition and make use of it in your workplace and living environment.

Seems like they were in too much of a hurry because they wanted to become a monk...
How unreasonable is it to say “a temple famous in the region that is a modern day rush temple.”

Your enthusiasm and ambition were also conveyed from previous questions, so I wanted to keep an eye on them, but that's what happened.

Duality means that everyone has private life, but they are always called mentors in front of you, so I wanted you to take care of your behavior as a monk.
I'm embarrassed to listen to it. Your enthusiasm and feelings seem to have been despised, and I'm disappointed too.

Please cherish your unchanging ambitions and make use of them in your workplace and living environment. That is your oath to the Buddha, and it is probably also your Buddhism.
I'm rooting for you. Gassho

It's very unnatural even from a monk's point of view, and I feel uncomfortable.

Despite the fact that your long-cherished wish was fulfilled, you are faced with such a situation, and I understand that you are deeply confused and worried.

First, it usually takes at least 6 months to 1 year or more to form a relationship with a master and monk, receive various instructions, and reach a degree. I think it probably hasn't even been a month since my last consultation. Earnings in less than a month, and the current situation where large amounts of alms and uncertain demands for money continue, is extremely unnatural even from the eyes of a monk, and I can't help but feel uncomfortable.

Regarding your concerns about “should we accept this as an ascetic practice,” I would like to make it clear. This is definitely not an “ascetic practice.” It's just “exploitation.” If it is a healthy temple or chief priest, I would never make my disciples pay for drinking snacks or car agency expenses, or confiscate the will (pocket money) they have received as a matter of course. Enduring intense dishonest behavior on both sides does not lead to the Buddha's path.

Unfortunately, we strongly recommend that you distance yourself from that person as soon as possible before financial and mental damage spreads any further. True teaching is not built on such unreasonable sacrifices. First, I sincerely hope that you will make courageous decisions to protect your own mind, body, and life.

worship
Engiji Temple Shakujo

Let's reconsider how we relate to Buddhism

I saw other people asking questions about the score, so let me answer them all together here.
Obtaining a degree means becoming a disciple of the Buddha, and even if you can obtain a monk status with it, it does not mean that you have become a monk.
In order to become an official monk, you must then practice for at least 1 or 2 years and obtain a teacher qualification.
I don't know much about the Shingon sect, but it seems that strict ascetic practices will be necessary, such as about 100 days of kagyo.
In other words, if you have absolutely no intention of becoming the chief priest, and you want to continue your current job as it is, there is no point in getting ahead.
If you pretend to be a monk and act in the same way as a monk at your current workplace, it's a complete fraud.
In the first place, you yourself have probably noticed that nothing about yourself has changed before and after scoring points.
Temple children usually receive a degree when they are in elementary school, but no one appreciates it.
I wish I had told you at the time of the initial consultation, but that's a shame.
If you want to seriously practice Buddhism while continuing your work, I recommend that you learn Buddhism as a lay believer (you can't get a monk's registration, but there is also a system called abode).
In the time of the Buddha, there were many lay believers who were superior to the monks.
Depending on you, you'll be a far better Buddhist than the master and monk you were disillusioned with.
(Incidentally, requesting an offering of 500,000 yen at a reasonable price is close to a criminal act. (Usually it's tens of thousands of yen)

PostScript
I'm sorry.
Seems like I misunderstood.
If you continue to practice until you obtain your teacher license, there is no problem even if you are treated as a monk now, as a monk.
Also, if the master and monk take care of all the training until you obtain your teacher license, then the donation of 500,000 yen is not necessarily too expensive.
The misleading words and actions of the teachers and monks may also have been useful for relieving your tension.
Please forgive me for saying something rude to you and your teacher and monk without knowing the details.